The Underground Lake #6: The Lost Day Addendum: Goofs and The Timeline
by Brandon
Hello all, it is Brandon Ford (back a lot sooner than I expected) with some more insights.
I have been bombarded with a hailstorm of emails and I must clear up a few things before we get to the nitty gritty.
1) The Fidelius Charm This point has caused a lot of controversy and it is entirely my fault. As I said in my previous editorials these THEORIES were my opinions based on the 2,688 pages of the five books. Things were missed and inferences were taken. On page 205 in PoA, it never ACTUALLY states the Dumbledore, himself, performed the Fidelius Charm. They just say that it was his idea and the he wanted to be the Secret-Keeper. That was my blunder number one. Blunder number two came when I took Sirius word over Dumbledores, forgetting that Dumbledore gave evidence against Sirius. This does pose a few flaws in my theory. It cannot be proven now that Dumbledore performed the charm. So I then amend the entry to say that it was Lily, and not Dumbledore that made the switch to Peter Pettigrew. BUT THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE LOST DAY THEORY!!! Regardless of who was whos Secret-Keeper, it doesnt change the fact that Dumbledore would still have to find a way to get Hagrid to Godrics Hollow. Dumbledore gave them the location so I still maintain that he knew where they were. The simple fact that Sirius shows up at Godrics Hollow right behind Hagrid proves that HE knew where Godrics Hollow was. The fact that Harry still had to be discovered by Hagrid DOES NOT CHANGE because of the identity of the Secret-Keeper and the caster of the spell. What matters is that THE SPELL ITSELF was cast and therefore the obstacle.
What now troubles me is a point that a wonderful person brought to my attention about old Loony Loopy Lupin. WHERE IN THE WORLD IS HE DURING ALL THIS? All we hear about are Sirius and Peter. Now unless there was a full moon that Halloween, Lupin was in the original order along with everyone else. As a powerful wizard and a close friend of James, I would think he would be a better choice than Pettigrew, especially since hes a werewolf. Not sure if it was common knowledge, but how much would it suck for Voldemort to kidnap Lupin and try to get him to talk and then Lupin just happen to turn into a werewolf? Lupin KNOWS how to keep a secret and he was in a position to defend himself. I think the new questions are these: where was Lupin and why pick Pettigrew? Well get to those later. On to my third blunder: the wand.
2) Pettigrew and Voldemorts Wand
I still maintain that Pettigrew stole Voldemorts wand. Turns out Voldemort himself killed Frank Bryce and Bertha Jorkins. BUT PETTIGREW STILL KILLED CEDRIC! I was (and still am) under the impression that prior to the end of GoF, Voldemort could either possess someone or take a frail, completely weak body for short lengths of time. If Voldemort was always in possession of his wand, why didnt Quirrell have it PS/SS? I think we can all agree that SOMEBODY HAD TO HAVE TAKEN IT, or it would have been found. The fact that Pettigrew USED Voldemorts wand (cause otherwise the Potters, Frank Bryce, and Bertha Jorkins wouldnt have come out of the wand), shows that you can do good magic with someone elses wand. Otherwise, we have to look at the reverse: Voldemort killed the Potters with Pettigrews wand. One of these two men doesnt have a wand. For 12 years Pettigrew didnt have HIS wand because he was a rat. Where is his? And since he couldnt have had Voldemorts either, where was Voldemorts? One thing is for sure. The whole you cant use someone elses wand thing is a moot point, because obviously one of these two men was able to kill either the Potters or Cedric effectively without THEIR wand. That is irrefutable. These are the two scenarios:
Scenario A | Scenario B |
Voldemort is destroyed after killing the Potters with HIS OWN WAND | Voldemort is destroyed after killing the Potters with PETER PETTIGREWS WAND |
Pettigrew takes VOLDEMORTSS wand and leaves | Pettigrew takes HIS OWN wand and leaves |
Pettigrew cornered by Sirius and blows up the street with VOLDYS wand, grabs the wand with his teeth, cuts off his finger, turns into a rat and carries the wand to a secret place | Pettigrew cornered by Sirius and blows up the street with HIS OWN wand, grabs the wand with his teeth, cuts off his finger, turns into a rat, and carries the wand to a secret place |
After PoA, Pettigrew retrieves VOLDYS wand and goes to find and help VOLDEMORT | After PoA, Pettigrew retrieves HIS OWN wand and goes to find and help VOLDEMORT |
Voldemort kills FRANK BRYCE and BERTHA JORKINS (not in that order) with HIS OWN wand | Voldemort kills FRANK BRYCE and BERTHA JORKINS (not in that order) with PETTIGREWs wand |
After the third task, PETTIGREW, using VOLDYS WAND, kills Cedric | After the third task, PETTIGREW, using HIS OWN wand, kills Cedric |
Harry and Voldy (with HIS OWN WAND) duel and Priori Incantatem takes place causing all people killed with AVADA KEDAVRA from VOLDEMORTs wand to come out of the wand (Cedric, Frank, Bertha, the Potters) | Harry and Voldemort (with PETTIGREWS WAND) duel and Priori Incantatem takes place causing all people killed with AVADA KEDAVRA from PETTIGREWs wand to come out of the wand (Cedric, Frank, Bertha, the Potters) |
In this scenario, the presence of Cedric PROVES that one wand did all these murders. If we assume Voldemort killed the Potters with his own wand then Pettigrew used the SAME wand to kill Cedric, meaning that he has had access to VOLDEMORTs wand and can wield it effectively | In this scenario, the presence of Cedric PROVES that one wand did all these murders. If we assume Voldemort killed the Potters with PETTIGREWs wand then Pettigrew used the SAME wand to kill Cedric, meaning that we still dont know what happened to Voldemorts wand and Voldemort can wield Pettigrews |
Author’s Note: IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY THE SECOND SCENARIO DOESN’T WORK, IT IS BECAUSE IT DOESN’T!!! WHEN i WROTE THE ORIGINAL FIVE PART EDITORIAL, I RECEIVED COUNTLESS EMAILS EXPLAINING WHY IT COULDN’T BE VOLDEMORT’S WAND! SO, I DECIDED TO HAVE A LITTLE FUN WITH THESE PEOPLE. I POSED THE SECOND SCENARIO TO FLUSH THESE PEOPLE OUT AND SURE ENOUGH, THEY IMMEDIATELY CAME OUT SAYING THAT IT HAD TO BE VOLDEMORT’S WAND AND THAT I WAS STUPID FOR SUGGESTING OTHERWISE! WELL THE JOKE IS ON THEM, ISN’T IT?
I apologize for my goofs and will from now on read even further before I open my big mouth. With these facts straightened out, I hereby submit my timeline of events in the Harry Potter Universe starting with graduation of the Marauders and Lily and Snape and ending with book 5.
First things first – I have no idea what actual year the events in the book take place. For the purposes of this timeline I will start with year 0, being Voldemorts death (Harry would be over one year old at the time).
For example: Trelawney was hired TWO years before Snape, therefore if Trelawneys hiring= -1.3, then 1.3+ 2 years (or 2.0)= +0.7
Another tip: Voldemort was destroyed on Halloween. Since Harrys birthday is exactly three months before that, 3 months=0.25 years.
The Time (Dates) | What Happens |
-5.66 | James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, Lily Evans, and Severus Snape graduate from Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. (We know this because they would be between 17 & 18 years old upon graduation and are 22 years old on the Lost Day. For full explanation, see The Lost Day, part 4: Why Dumbledore Trusts Snape) |
-3 | Snape becomes a Death Eater by choice |
-3 | James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, and Lily Evans all become members of the Order of the Phoenix |
-1.3 | Dumbledore interviews Sibyl Trelawney and the first Prophecy is made (Trelawney tells Umbridge she had been working at Hogwarts for almost 16 years) |
-1.25 | James and Lily Potter are the proud parents of Harry Potter (July 31), while the day before Frank and Alice Longbottom (also members of the Order of the Phoenix) become the proud parents Neville Longbottom |
-1 | Snape switches sides and turns spy for Dumbledore |
-0.1 | Snape tips Dumbledore off that Voldemort is after the Potters. (We assume it is Snape because in PoA, a reference is made to Dumbledores spies on Voldemorts side. Who else do WE know except Snape) |
-0.05 | SOMEBODY performs the Fidelius Charm making Peter Pettigrew Secret-Keeper |
-0.05 | Peter Pettigrew tells Voldemort the location of the Potters |
0: THE LOST DAY! | |
10-11:59PM Monday, Oct. 31 | Voldemort arrives at Godrics Hollow and murders James and Lily Potter and attempts to murder Harry but fails and loses his body. Pettigrew, retrieves A wand (see above) and leaves. With or without the help of Cornelius Fudge, he destroys Godrics Hollow |
8:30AM Tuesday, Nov. 1 | Vernon Dursley wakes up and heads off to work and sees extremely strange sights and strange people celebrating something |
10-11:59PM Tuesday, Nov. 1 | Albus Dumbledore arrives at Privet Drive, meeting Minerva McGonagall, and later Rubeus Hagrid with a baby Harry Potter in tow |
10AM Wednesday, Nov. 2 | Sirius Black catches up to Peter Pettigrew and Peter blows up the street, thus killing 12 muggles. Pettigrew turns into a rat, grabs A wand within his teeth and scurries away. Sirius captured by Department of Magical Catastrophes, led by Cornelius Fudge |
Late Weds/Thurs, Nov. 3/4 | The Longbottoms are tortured by the Lestranges with or without Barty Crouch Jr. |
+0.2 | The Death Eater Trials begin. Snape is vouched for by Dumbledore and released. The Lestranges are thrown in Azkaban along with Barty Crouch Jr. |
+0.7 | Snape is hired as Potions Master at Hogwarts |
+7 | Barty Crouch Jr. escapes from Azkaban prison |
+9.75 (July) | Harry Potter is accepted to Hogwarts |
+10 (Halloween) | TROLL IN THE DUNGEON! Thought you oughta know. |
+11 (Halloween) | The Death Day Party |
+11.75 (August) | Sirius Black escapes from Azkaban |
+12.66 (June) | Peter Pettigrew resurfaces and heads off to find his master |
+12.875 (August) | The Dark Mark surfaces at the Quidditch World Cup summoned by Barty Crouch Jr. |
+13.66 (June) | VOLDEMORT RETURNS TO FULL POWER, AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX IS REFORMED |
+14.66 (June) | Sirius Black is murdered |
I would like to remind all that this is what I think based on the books and should not be taken as gospel, though I think its pretty close. The bit about Barty Crouch Jr. is in there because so many things could never have happened had he not escaped from Azkaban, like Voldemort returning, for example. His inclusion is also to remind you that things are in motion all during the books that we never see.